Comments on: Nothing in my hand I bring http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/ davemiers.com Thu, 24 May 2012 03:42:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jeremiah http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/comment-page-1/#comment-2581 Jeremiah Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:13:21 +0000 http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/#comment-2581 Yep, I guess I jumped to a conclusion there. Perhaps that reveals the limitations of online communication. Without talking face to face it's easy to assume a tone that is unintended. Thanks for the link. Looks like a clear and helpful statement. Yep, I guess I jumped to a conclusion there. Perhaps that reveals the limitations of online communication. Without talking face to face it’s easy to assume a tone that is unintended.

Thanks for the link. Looks like a clear and helpful statement.

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]]> By: davemiers http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/comment-page-1/#comment-2572 davemiers Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:18:47 +0000 http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/#comment-2572 jeremiah - glad to see you are blogging!! i've subscribed to your blog and look forward to reading your gear. my linking to the $86 mil was intended to be neutral. i'm not sure what i think! i don't really have a problem with it. i <a href="http://davemiers.com/2008/04/24/dont-steal-gods-glory-2/" rel="nofollow">linked</a> to an article from phillip jensen that i think is very helpful in thinking through the issue. <a href="http://www.cathedral.sydney.anglican.asn.au/pages/posts/youth-day195.php" rel="nofollow">here's the link again</a> 25% of the population are at least nominally catholic - so it's not unreasonable for them to get some funding! here is a blurb i read of another guy on a comment on <a href="http://creative2567.blogspot.com/2008/04/philip-jensen-on-world-youth-day.html" rel="nofollow">another blog</a>, i don't think it's as clear cut as he suggests: <i>[Jeremy Halcrow said:] I see the Dean's point about hospitality as well as secularism, but I do think there are flaws in his argument. The fact is that all religious groups do not get equal Govt financial support for their proslytism... or even at a 'per capita' rate. The whole rationale behind State support here is a) scale and b) tourist $$.. My trouble is this: why should a large religious organisation which has the capacity to put on such a huge event be given additional financial support? When everyone else can't put on such an event and so can't benefit from the support. Does the Govt provide security for the Hillsong Conf? No Should it? No. Case closed.</i> jeremiah – glad to see you are blogging!! i’ve subscribed to your blog and look forward to reading your gear.

my linking to the $86 mil was intended to be neutral. i’m not sure what i think! i don’t really have a problem with it.

i linked
to an article from phillip jensen that i think is very helpful in thinking through the issue. here’s the link again

25% of the population are at least nominally catholic – so it’s not unreasonable for them to get some funding!

here is a blurb i read of another guy on a comment on another blog, i don’t think it’s as clear cut as he suggests:

[Jeremy Halcrow said:]

I see the Dean’s point about hospitality as well as secularism, but I do think there are flaws in his argument.

The fact is that all religious groups do not get equal Govt financial support for their proslytism… or even at a ‘per capita’ rate.

The whole rationale behind State support here is a) scale and b) tourist $$..

My trouble is this: why should a large religious organisation which has the capacity to put on such a huge event be given additional financial support? When everyone else can’t put on such an event and so can’t benefit from the support.

Does the Govt provide security for the Hillsong Conf? No
Should it? No.

Case closed.

]]> By: Jeremiah http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/comment-page-1/#comment-2568 Jeremiah Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:09:55 +0000 http://davemiers.com/2008/04/21/nothing-in-my-hand-i-bring/#comment-2568 My wife, who has a Catholic background, recently read this book and found it very succinct and helpful. It has helped her thinking as she engages with Catholic friends and family. With regards to government support for WYD08, I wonder if we can criticise the government for this? Protestant churches and ministers receive benefits under tax legislation. In NSW, government schools must allow time for religious instruction. Some government funds also go towards independent schools, many of which are Protestant. I guess I'm asking, whether it's fair to criticise the giving of funds to a Catholic event that we oppose when in other areas we receive benefits that others may dislike. My wife, who has a Catholic background, recently read this book and found it very succinct and helpful. It has helped her thinking as she engages with Catholic friends and family.

With regards to government support for WYD08, I wonder if we can criticise the government for this? Protestant churches and ministers receive benefits under tax legislation. In NSW, government schools must allow time for religious instruction. Some government funds also go towards independent schools, many of which are Protestant.

I guess I’m asking, whether it’s fair to criticise the giving of funds to a Catholic event that we oppose when in other areas we receive benefits that others may dislike.

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